Wednesday, 13 October 2010

155mm cranks for Jules

Since I started work at Cyclefit, Jules has been moaning about how he can't climb or time trial because his legs are too short (please read my previous, related post about Joaquim Rodriguez - http://tinyurl.com/2vmjoda ). This is, of course, VITALLY important for the annual GPM10 trips to Majorca, so we set about trying to improve this problem.

Traditionally riders only consider 3 crank lengths- 170mm, 172.5mm, and 175mm, but is that enough to truly accommodate the huge range in leg lengths? The table below is a rough estimation of the ratio between saddle height and crank lengths of a few riders (pulled from cyclingnews pro bike articles). Phil is 'Mr. Average' when it comes to saddle height- please no jokes. If we treat Phil as a baseline, for Jules to achieve the same ratio as Phil or Mr. Armstrong he has to ride 155 cranks.

Name Crank Size Saddle Height Ratio
Jules 155 67 2.31
Jules 165 67 2.46
Jules 170 67 2.54
Phil 170 74 2.3
Sandy 172.5 78.5 2.2
Boonen 177.5 80 2.22
Gesink 175 83.5 2.1
Sastre 170 72.5 2.34
Cavendish 170 70 2.43
Armstrong 175 75 2.33

The reason this is a useful ratio is that it gives some indication of the range of angles that a rider has to handle throughout a pedal cycle. Gesink will not have to maintain nearly as acute an angle at the top of his pedal stroke as smaller riders such as Jules.

Jules finally ignored the stigma attached to short cranks, which I can imagine comes from some kind of subconscious male instinct that I won't discuss, and put on a TA Agilis 155mm crankset. We also raised the saddle 15mm to maintain the same leg extension at the bottom. Using some before and after analysis on Dartfish, Jules' hip angle at the top of the pedal stroke was consistently 10 degrees less acute than with 170mm. We also compared the hip angle when climbing, and found that it was also 10 degrees on average. The leg extension at the top of the pedal stroke was on average 10 degrees more obtuse than with 170mm. Here was Jules' initial reactions-

'Cranks are good, pedal stroke is smoother much less ‘up and down’ of legs and more open hip angle.

Less leverage from the lights when starting for the first two or three revs but once in the saddle acceleration is quicker to cruising speed.

Maybe for cross 160mm cranks would be better, or 155mm cranks with Rotor Q rings….

Do not feel the need to keep getting out of the saddle as much as before.

Climbing seems OK so far – maintaining cadence is the key.

Handlebar position good, saddle much more comfortable'

I need to put some solid numbers behind my theory, but I feel many riders should consider smaller cranks. Feel free to comment with your opinions.

6 comments:

  1. Will be good to see how I get on with my 165mm cranks when they arrive.

    Current cranks 170/69.3 saddle height = 2.45
    new cranks 165/69.3 saddle height = 2.38

    Definitely felt smoother riding on the 165mm cranks on the jig at Cyclefit.

    Lou

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  2. dont miss than is note the same a roller in terms of inertia, helpfull when cranks are long.
    what was the power of the experiment? 4w/kg? and cadence?
    shorter cranks better for jules and for most of ciclyst but it explained by somethig more than the efficient range?
    JON

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  3. You're trying to get me to spend money on some new cranks aren't you? If Jules can't climb, then I'm stuffed.

    My current ratio comes in at around 2.46 (170/69). I'd be interested, as a fellow short legged rider of similar build Jules, to come in and see if I can help put some more information down on your research

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  4. Hi Jon, it wasn't really a scientific experiment as such, just a trial. When is inertia important for cycling, for sprinting?

    Alx, you definitely need a pair of very expensive short cranks. No question. But seriously you can get them relatively cheaply if you would like to try.

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  5. hi
    am in the market for some 155 cranks-are the ones refferred to TA or aegilis by rotor?
    thanks
    doug

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  6. In your ratio calculations your not allowing for the fact you'll have to raise the saddle by the same reduction in crank length.

    So for 155 cranks his new seat height would be 68.5 which would give him a ratio of 2.26, 160 cranks would be 2.35.

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